eirImagine that, I didn't think that Linux distributions still sell CDs.
I didn't know either.. I remember when some distros cost that much, with th
own box and manual etc..
Ah yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux 7 (before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box, in all its glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshots and low-end system requirements. I think my dad got me that copy of Red Hat Linux 7 for Xmas that year. It had the manual, license agreement, card to sign up for the Red Hat Network @ US$60/year, the CD case with three CDs placed in plastic sleeves, and a floppy boot disk in the pocket.
Ah, the good ol' days; where it was, rare, but possible, to got to Wal-Mart and pick up a Linux distribution for around ~US$60.
Ah yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux 7 (before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box, in all its glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshots and low-end system requirements.
7Ah yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux
in(before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box,
andall its glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshots
low-end system requirements.
Don't forget the Man-with-the-fedora Red Hat logo window stickers!
I also like that their images are both USB and CD capable out of the box, no need to specially prepare them for USB. But yeah, netinst is a great way to go these days.
Nightfox wrote to KK4QBN <=-
Me too, Slackware was the first Linux I saw. Slackware was one of the first, and I think many people who looked at Linux in the early days probably had a look at Slackware.. I haven't used it in years though.
I'm not sure it had much of a package manager (perhaps it does now?).
I remember reading a review on Slackware where someone described it basically as an "image of some guy's hard drive".. :P
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO for USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and never
had to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did the necessary stuff for me.
I didn't know either.. I remember when some distros cost that much, with their own box and manual etc.. But you could also go to cheapbytes.com and buy a copy they'd burn onto CD-R/DVD-R for you and just pay for the media (maybe $3) and shipping.
Slackware is the first linux I ever laid eyes on. we tried zipslack
first,
Me too, Slackware was the first Linux I saw. Slackware was one of the first, and I think many people who looked at Linux in the early days probably had a look at Slackware.. I haven't used it in years though. I'm not sure it had much of a package manager (perhaps it does now?). I remember reading a review on Slackware where someone described it basically as an "image of some guy's hard drive".. :P
I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO for USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and never had to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did the necessary stuff for me.
I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO for USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and never had to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did the necessary stuff for me.
I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO
for USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and
never had to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using
did the necessary stuff for me.
Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd them straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program like Rufus (on Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive. Most Linux distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a flash drive.
Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd them straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program like Rufus (on Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive. Most Linux distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a flash drive.
I think its dd.. hell I might be compeletely off.. I just know it's one of t easiests things I've done after wasting hours trying to find a gui app that would do it..
Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd
them straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program like
Rufus (on Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive.
Most Linux distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a flash
drive.
Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd
them straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program like
Rufus (on Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB
drive. Most Linux distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a
flash drive.
I spent so much time trying to find a good gui under linux to do it not knowing that it could be done with dd, then got lucky and run up on a good ubuntu forum.. wow saved so much time :)
KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-
I spent so much time trying to find a good gui under linux to do it not knowing that it could be done with dd, then got lucky and run up on a
good ubuntu forum.. wow saved so much time :)
What's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss it when I'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)
tWhat's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss i
towhen I'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)
The GNU tools (including dd) are available for Windows. One that I can't do without now is grep - I got used to grep on Linux, and now I sometimes like
use it in Windows to search for text in my files.
The GNU has a CoreUtils package for Windows that you can download, which includes dd:
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm
And if you're interested, grep is also available as a standalone package: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htm
I've used GoW (GNU on Windows), but BASH didn't work then. Does GNUWIN32 require Cygwin or are they standalone?
Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2017 02:06 pm
I've used GoW (GNU on Windows), but BASH didn't work then. Does GNUWIN32 require Cygwin or are they standalone?
They're standalone. Pretty much just Windows-native builds of the GNU tools (for the command prompt).
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
What's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss it when I'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)
The GNU tools (including dd) are available for Windows. One that I
can't do without now is grep - I got used to grep on Linux, and now I sometimes like to use it in Windows to search for text in my files.
The GNU has a CoreUtils package for Windows that you can download,
which includes dd:
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm
And if you're interested, grep is also available as a standalone
package: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htm
These are the unix utils for Windows I usually install: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
Except for grep. I still use a Borland version of grep because it supports a recursive search with a wildcard file/pattern match. (e.g. 'grep -d BLAH \src\*.h'). The GNU greps don't support that usage.
Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2017 04:45 pm
These are the unix utils for Windows I usually install: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
Except for grep. I still use a Borland version of grep because it supports a recursive search with a wildcard file/pattern match. (e.g. 'grep -d BLAH \src\*.h'). The GNU greps don't support that usage.
Ah, interesting. I wondered if there was a way to use grep that way or a version of grep that allowed that.
I thought it was pretty cool to be able to go into a store and buy a
copy of Linux off the shelf - I thought that meant Linux had finally 'made i (or was close to it) as a consumer operating system. These days, I still do think Linux is a major player for desktop computers, although I occasionally hear about some PC companies installing Linux on their PCs at the factory.
Nightfox
I remember when you could get a box set also. Between Egghead, Walden sofware and some of the computer/book stores like CompUSA, I remember getting the early Mandrake and Redhat box sets. Even though nobody pays for it today and it's taken for granted, I always thought it was worth the $30 or so that you spent for what you got.
Physical packaging in general for software is mostly going by the wayside, and part of me misses that.
Physical packaging in general for software is mostly going by the
wayside, and part of me misses that.
I miss that too. There was something fun about going to a store, browsing, and holding a box in my hands and taking it home, and then opening it and installing it. Nowdays, I do like the ease of buying software online and downloading it, but it feels like there's something missing about it too.
I've always loved getting packaging with my console games, etc.. but the
Nightfox wrote to Chris <=-
Nowdays, I do like the ease of buying
software online and downloading it, but it feels like there's something missing about it too.
For me, it's the same thing missing from buying music on physical media: Resale value. Digital distribution pretty much kills the used market.
Nightfox wrote to Vaclav <=-
Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was:
By: Vaclav to Nightfox on Thu Sep 14 2017 08:06 pm
For me, it's the same thing missing from buying music on physical media: Resale value. Digital distribution pretty much kills the used market.
I agree there. And I've heard the music industry doesn't (or didn't
used to) like used music sales because the publishers don't get profit from used sales, only new sales.
Yup. Thinking about it a little more, apart from ruining our nostalgia for old things,a digital-only method of distribution can seriously hamper preservation of software, music, literature, etc for the future. What do we leave behind once the power goes out and the last servers die?
Sorry, it's probably too early in the day to be waxing philisophical...
Even back then, you could usually download the Linux distros for free even though you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. It seems a little odd now when I think back on that..
Even back then, you could usually download the Linux distros for
free even though you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. It
seems a little odd now when I think back on that..
I'd buy the CDs online - with a 768kb/128kb DSL line, it made more sense to pay a couple of bucks to one of the online places for a white label CD.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Even back then, you could usually download the Linux distros for free even though you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. It seems a little odd now when I think back on that..
I'd buy the CDs online - with a 768kb/128kb DSL line, it made more
sense to pay a couple of bucks to one of the online places for a white label CD.
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