• Out of logons?

    From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Friday, January 20, 2023 15:55:49
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to MRO on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:21 pm

    Hello MRO,

    go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
    to test it.

    That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at my (or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.

    If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?

    I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.

    The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Friday, January 20, 2023 17:54:12
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to MRO on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:21 pm

    Hello MRO,

    go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
    to test it.

    That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at

    my
    (or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.

    I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.


    wow something is seriously screwed up then.
    if you want i can teamviewer you while you watch.
    the session key only works once.

    i sent a msg to sysop on trmb.ca:2030


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Friday, January 20, 2023 18:14:16
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: MRO to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 05:54 pm

    being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.


    wow something is seriously screwed up then.
    if you want i can teamviewer you while you watch.
    the session key only works once.

    i sent a msg to sysop on trmb.ca:2030

    or you can get an irc client and go to irc.synchro.net and go to
    the channel synchronet.

    you can use a web client. make sure you wait there.
    it's like an answering machine, not instant gratification.

    https://mibbit.com/

    use server irc.synchro.net
    channel #synchronet
    and give yourself a decent nick
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Friday, January 20, 2023 16:36:22
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Thu Jan 19 2023 10:01 pm

    This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?

    Possibly, but I couldn't guess/say *why* it makes a difference yet.

    I removed write permissions to the user.tab file and I am able to log on now.

    That's not a solution of course, SBBS needs to write that file for a number of reasons. I'm going to log off and put those write permissions back but it seems that there is something wrong in what SBBS is writting to that file.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Friday, January 20, 2023 16:40:16
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:47 pm

    If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?

    Yes, if I set the security level to 99 and set the password I can log in briefly but am logged off after a few seconds. I just see "Time's up." and then I am disconnected.

    I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Friday, January 20, 2023 16:45:42
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:55 pm

    If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?

    I run exec/uedit from the /sbbs directory.

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.

    I appreciate it.

    The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.

    The issue seems to be that the user.tab file is missing the security level, minutes, and password info. Possibly others, I am not sure.

    I can enter those values with uedit but they go missing shortly after login.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Friday, January 20, 2023 21:14:41
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 2023 04:40 pm

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:47 pm

    If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?

    Yes, if I set the security level to 99 and set the password I can log in briefly but am logged off after a few seconds. I just see "Time's up." and then I am disconnected.

    I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.


    okay i didnt know you were using a linux version of synchronet.
    did you say that in the beginning and i didnt catch that?

    you should reset all your permissions and take ownership.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Friday, January 20, 2023 21:03:22
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 2023 04:45 pm

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:55 pm

    If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?

    I run exec/uedit from the /sbbs directory.

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.

    I appreciate it.

    The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.

    The issue seems to be that the user.tab file is missing the security level, minutes, and password info. Possibly others, I am not sure.

    I can enter those values with uedit but they go missing shortly after login.

    Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after" for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's happening to it.
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Friday, January 20, 2023 23:16:33
    Hello Digital,

    Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after"
    for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's
    happening to it.

    Sorry, I don't have a diff but if you grab..

    http://trmb.ca/usertab.zip

    It contains user.tab.orig as sbbs saves it, and user.tab.uedit as uedit saves it after I have added level 99, 500 minutes, all the exemptions and the password.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Saturday, January 21, 2023 01:06:47
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 2023 11:16 pm

    Hello Digital,

    Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after" for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's happening to it.

    Sorry, I don't have a diff but if you grab..

    http://trmb.ca/usertab.zip

    Hopefully there's not a password in there that you wanted to keep secret. :-)

    It contains user.tab.orig as sbbs saves it, and user.tab.uedit as uedit saves it after I have added level 99, 500 minutes, all
    the
    exemptions and the password.

    I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter this issue:

    After creating the first user account by logging in as "new":

    $ cat user.tab
    1 Test Man Rob Swindell Test Man 127.0.0.1 localhost me Norco, Ca 19691231 M Telnet 80026916 10b 0 0 0 fseditor default zip Z 20230121T085528Z 20230121T085528Z 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 BLARF 20230121T085528Z 99 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ 10485760 0 0 0

    and then after logging off the user, the same:

    $ cat user.tab
    1 Test Man Rob Swindell Test Man 127.0.0.1 localhost me Norco, Ca 19691231 M Telnet 80026916 10b 0 0 0 fseditor default zip Z 20230121T085528Z 20230121T085528Z 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 BLARF 20230121T085528Z 99 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ 10485760 0 0 0

    There might be something unique to your ctrl/main.ini file that's triggering this issue.

    Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.

    Thanks,
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to MRO on Saturday, January 21, 2023 04:00:05
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: MRO to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 09:14 pm

    I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.

    okay i didnt know you were using a linux version of synchronet.
    did you say that in the beginning and i didnt catch that?

    No, I didn't mention windows or linux.

    you should reset all your permissions and take ownership.

    I do have ownership. I just removed write permissions, even for myself but I have reset that now.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Saturday, January 21, 2023 04:09:25
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 01:06 am

    I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter this issue:

    Sorry DM, I didn't mean to send you on one of my rodeo's.

    Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.

    I am not sure why but after deleting data/user/* and creating a new account things are working normally. Maybe I didn't have enough of the initial setup done when I first logged in.

    The new user.tab looks a fair bit different, it is here if you'd like to look.

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Thank you for you help.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Saturday, January 21, 2023 11:22:55
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 04:09 am

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 01:06 am

    I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter
    this
    issue:
    Sorry DM, I didn't mean to send you on one of my rodeo's.

    No apology necessary, the system was doing something unexpected (by both you and I), so I appreciate being made aware of it. Unfortunately, we didn't really get to the bottom of it.

    Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.

    I am not sure why but after deleting data/user/* and creating a new account things are working normally. Maybe I didn't have enough of the initial setup done when I first logged in.

    The new user.tab looks a fair bit different, it is here if you'd like to look.

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Saturday, January 21, 2023 15:37:18
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 11:22 am

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.

    I haven't run 'upgrade_to_v320' but I did run 'jsexec update'. That was some hours (maybe 6-24) after the install and initial setup. The update ran successfully but didn't report doing anything.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the time when I first logged in.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Saturday, January 21, 2023 16:12:35
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 03:37 pm

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 11:22 am

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.

    I haven't run 'upgrade_to_v320' but I did run 'jsexec update'. That was some hours (maybe 6-24) after the install and initial setup. The update ran successfully but didn't report doing anything.

    If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the time when I first logged in.

    Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, January 21, 2023 18:41:19
    Hello Digital,

    If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.

    No, just my own sysop account and guest.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not
    much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the
    time when I first logged in.

    Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.

    I have changed some of my default login options and am now getting the "Times up." message again.

    1. I changed my editor to Syledit.

    2. I disabled the spinning pause prompt.

    3. I changed the default mail scan to search for new personal messages instead of a new mail scan.

    4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can choose zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Saturday, January 21, 2023 19:17:44
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 06:41 pm

    Hello Digital,

    If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.

    No, just my own sysop account and guest.

    Those are the user accounts to which I was inquiring. Anyway, I experimented with running 'jsexec update' (which runs upgrade_to_v320 when there's no user.tab file) and did not reproduce your issue as a result, so that doesn't appear to be a factor here.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not
    much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the
    time when I first logged in.

    Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.

    I have changed some of my default login options and am now getting the "Times up." message again.

    1. I changed my editor to Syledit.

    2. I disabled the spinning pause prompt.

    3. I changed the default mail scan to search for new personal messages instead of a new mail scan.

    4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can choose
    zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Saturday, January 21, 2023 19:22:34
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 07:17 pm

    4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can
    choose
    zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    Okay, good news: I was able to reproduce the problem by changing the default download protocol. Should be an easy fix.

    Thank you!
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, January 21, 2023 19:26:31
    Hello Digital,

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?

    I was logged in with telnet using plain old telnet, "telnet localhost". That's the way I access the BBS if I am local.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Saturday, January 21, 2023 19:34:48
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 07:26 pm

    Hello Digital,

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?

    I was logged in with telnet using plain old telnet, "telnet localhost". That's the way I access the BBS if I am local.

    What I was asking was were you using a user editor (e.g. ;uedit sysop command) or the just the user menu option or maybe a sysop user editor utilty (e.g. exec/uedit) to change those settings. But no matter, I discovered that I could reproduce it with the default user config menu option, so fix forthcoming.

    Thanks for your patience and bug report (for ignoring the noise from others offering their unhelpful input).
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Saturday, January 21, 2023 21:45:17
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 07:34 pm

    Thanks for your patience and bug report (for ignoring the noise from others offering their unhelpful input).

    sorry for the noise!
    i was just trying to be helpful!

    I just said the few things I would do to trouble shoot to start out.
    then i said he should try #synchronet on your irc network.

    nobody died.


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